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Post by to the admin on Dec 16, 2007 8:31:03 GMT -5
Did you know that your charge makes no sense at all in light of the other boards on the Internet concerning the truth? Most are laced with deception, false accusation and even libel (one was pulled for some time, remember) and yet because I do not post those quotes here you are upset with me?
I apologize, but I will not post ammunition of any kind here on these pages nor will we allow bitter, angry "drive by" posts to interfere with the peaceful nature of this discussion board.
If you are truly concerned about something you do not understand, then please register and join the discussions in an adult manner.
Sincerely in Christ,
Richard McFarland Board Administrator
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Post by the quote on Dec 16, 2007 8:34:37 GMT -5
In allowing "exes and antis" free access to some of the lists and such that we share can only make their job of disruption and deception easier. It's not so much that they do not wish to continue in or accept our faith in Jesus way but that they must use devices to try to put any doubt in the ones who Stand True. [glow=yellow,2,300] Here is your charge, quoted above. And so, with that placed here, what deception?
These are your words, please have the fortitude to back them up.[/glow] Thank you for your concern. Please see the preceding post for your answer. It looks very much like you are answering your own question... as far as disruption goes...Sincerely in Christ,
Richard McFarland Board Administrator
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Post by DianeH on Dec 16, 2007 9:16:56 GMT -5
I object to changing the name of the board, or the email list. There are no copyrights on such as this, and the fact that Diane (or anyone else for that matter) does not participate is irrelevant. Lots of things are named by people who then move on leaving others to continue with what was started. The honest and polite thing to have done would have been to ask me if the Standing True name could be used for other boards. Do whatever you want to do, I am done with people who think I am of satan. I serve God from the depths of my heart. I profess Him as my Lord and Savior. I just don't go to meeting. What makes me a non Christian. Is it because I no longer go to meeting, or is it I serve the Lord the same as others? Diane
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Post by geoff on Dec 16, 2007 11:43:33 GMT -5
Diane
In quoting my post I guess you direct your remarks to me...
I did not say that you were "of satan", and didn't even have such a thought. That you go or not go to meetings does not define Christianity, does not determine salvation.
In a similar way that I have moved from other denominations to this fellowship, you have moved from it to another. If it helps your growth in the Lord, then its a good thing. You ask "What makes me a non Christian?" I can't answer that. I didn't know you were a non-Christian, thats news to me.
But I see no connection between this and the name of the board. I just expressed my view on the point. I have no say, just a participant.
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Post by selah on Dec 16, 2007 13:03:12 GMT -5
I'm not choosing either side of this issue, but I do have a comment about the name "Standing True Discussion Board." The term itself is a little ambiguous when we consider the participants here. For some "Standing True" means standing true to Jesus, with the understanding that it includes the basic tenets of the fellowship of the f&w. To others it means standing true to Jesus with only the basic tenets of the Gospel, or Good News about Him (redemption, resurrection, restoration). These people may or may not support a specific ministry or fellowship, but they do "stand true" to Christ alone. And to some, regretfully, it may mean, "I'm not budging on anything I believe, because I'm STANDING TRUE." But, I think most people here are desiring of a "teachable spirit" and want God to mold and make us according to His will, regardless of what WE believe. This ambiguity can sometimes produce discussions that are comparing apples with oranges. So, a lot of time and effort is often required to establish a common ground for discussion. That's not necessarily wasted effort, because I'm certain God uses EVERYTHING to reveal His truth, and perhaps it's through this very "sorting" and "untangling" that we draw closer together and to Him. And as an added bonus, we develop more patience and love in the process. However, if there were a name that was more succinct, our sharing together might be more directed around our common understandings. We'd spend less time concerned over differences and more time building on the strength of our compatible views. That's a positive approach and also beneficial, right? But now that I think about it...we may be tempted to just avoid some of the real issues that have hindered our fellowship with one another all along. Maybe we would just gloss over them...sweep them under the carpet, so to speak. Hmmm....I guess the old saying is still effective (attributed to various authors, but primarily to Wesley): "In essentials, unity; in non-essentials, liberty; in all things; charity." Then the questions is, "What is essential to you?"...and here we go again...sorting out the apples and oranges! ;D So, now that I've talked myself around in a circle, I'll just be quiet and let others resolve this. Blessings, Linda
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Post by DH on Dec 16, 2007 17:40:07 GMT -5
Diane In quoting my post I guess you direct your remarks to me... I did not say that you were "of satan", and didn't even have such a thought. That you go or not go to meetings does not define Christianity, does not determine salvation. In a similar way that I have moved from other denominations to this fellowship, you have moved from it to another. If it helps your growth in the Lord, then its a good thing. You ask "What makes me a non Christian?" I can't answer that. I didn't know you were a non-Christian, thats news to me. But I see no connection between this and the name of the board. I just expressed my view on the point. I have no say, just a participant. No, I agree, you didn't. I actually didn't say you did. NB is the one who likes to tell that one. I am happy where I am today and cannot now be moved. God is so good. Thanks Linda, I agree with you totally. DH
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Post by philsmiley on Dec 16, 2007 18:44:38 GMT -5
Im thinking this board has been named "standing true" due to being linked to the Yahoo group "standing true", that name in itself is simply a nice little saying, we are standing true to Christ. Therefore no-one "owns" it. However I can see where Diane is coming from, that it orginates from the name of the group she founded... Of which I am very glad she did create. So a thanks from me Diane! And glad to hear you are doing good!
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Post by nathanb on Dec 16, 2007 18:49:26 GMT -5
Hi Nathan, I don't mean this is a bad way. I am only an ex to a religion, not to God. I am standing true to God and that is all that counts. I am not welcome on the ST list, so I don't think anyone should use the name I chose. It is like writing a book and someone taking the name for themselves. Hope you and your family are well. Alex and I are certainly rejoicing in the Lord. God is so good and I think Him every day for all He has done for me, and is still doing. It is so wonderful to rejoice in the Lord. Thanks Nathan and Happy Holidays to you and yours. Luv, Diane All of us on ST list MISS you very much Diane! We have been good friends for many years and let us continue keeping it that. I am very happy in knowing you and Alexa are doing great. Happy, Holidays to you my friend.
I will write to David and Richard and see what we can do about your request on changing the Standing True board name. I will try... you picked a good name so we want to keep it, Diane.
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Post by Joe on Dec 17, 2007 0:49:41 GMT -5
Great to see you here Diane,
If I remember, there was a little discussion on what to name this for different reasons... but since the idea started on the Standing True list... and we kind of wanted to keep the identity with the list... it was decided to stay as close to the name and the identity as possible.
This is a discussion board... not a yahoo group, so it is very different. The reason for the discussion board origionally was to provide a place where all could participate together not just those in the fellowship because the TMB was down at that time.
I am glad for this place... I don't like the others, but have enjoyed the discussions here. The name doesn't matter to me. We could just shorten it to STDB and not have any words associated with the letters.
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Post by DianeH on Dec 17, 2007 11:36:37 GMT -5
My Christmas Gift to all of you. Keep the name as it is. Thanks for asking if it could continue to be used. Please keep it as is. Again my gift to you. Hope all are well. Miss you all and still feel you are part of my family, even though many have "x" me out of their lives. Miss the mail and phone calls, but I understand. Still, I don't feel we, as Christians, should keep separated from one another. We are serving God, not man and that is all that counts. We are all as One.
Love, Diane
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Post by Richard McFarland on Dec 17, 2007 12:19:35 GMT -5
Thank you Diane,
I am busy right now with some earthly necessities and such but have began a post for this subject explaining how and why this discussion list began and my reasoning for using the same name as the standingtrue list.
I will also say this in light of the season: It seems to me that some of the fellowship take the "not Christ's birthday" part of Christmas too strongly. My wife and I are seperated (she left me, I have our daughter) and she lives with her mother and brother. They all also claim to profess. My wife and mother in-law sent our daughter some Christmas clothes and "Holiday Wishes" cards. She was disappointed not to get a Christmas Card from mommy since she had been when we were together...
I think ALL Christians should remember Christ's day of birth and If we do not know for sure the actual date then a special date put aside will be fine with Jesus and His Father. His birth was the day that a special life began on earth to bring us a special ministry and message of Love which was then given in sacrifice for our salvation.
I will never ignore that day though it be set aside by man for lack of historical evidence. Jesus WAS worshipped on His day of birth by Shepherds, Wise Men and Angels! Should we do less?
Thank you again. Please feel free to join the board and continue to post. I hope you will see that this board is for Christ and His Message first above any doctrine or way of man.
In Peace and Love In our Lord,
Richard
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Post by guest on Dec 17, 2007 13:26:00 GMT -5
Richard, Jesus was not worshiped by the wise men on the day of his birth. When they arrived, Jesus was in a home and was a young child. The standard Christmas scene at the manger is as typical not backed by scripture.
A small point but lets keep things true.
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Post by selah on Dec 17, 2007 16:55:03 GMT -5
The point is that the Savior of the world was born, and it was celebrated by Shepherds, Wise Men and Angels!
Another interesting "knat" is that it doesn't say "three" Wise Men. Three gifts were mentioned though.
Sometimes these little discrepancies cause people to throw the "baby" out with the bath water.
I do appreciate attention to detail too, guest, but let's not dismiss the real intent of our celebrating. (I don't think you were doing that) I'm sure our Father is most interested in the motivation in our hearts.
Blessings, Linda
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Post by DianeH on Dec 17, 2007 17:40:05 GMT -5
Thanks Richard. It is okay. I am not upset. I wanted to get a couple emails from the ST list, but DN won't let me back on even just for that. Once I wanted to get back on and help DN with moderating the list, and he told me I wasn't allowed until I came back to meeting. Where in the Bible do we have to go to meeting to worship God? It hurts me to not be trusted, when God has trusted me to show to others that He lives in me. His Holy Spirit dwells within my heart and life, yet some going to meeting, do not want me around and don't trust me. This is a terrible thing to have to face when I was the one who brought this list together. It hurts when someone thinks you are a thief, dishonest person. Richard, you sound like a nice person. Keep it up. I, too, am a single mother and it is hard. Hang in there.
I can't thank God enough for His love and He trusting in me. He has found true friends for me to gather and worship with. They love me, even when I may make a mistake. They trust me.
Love in Christ, Diane
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Post by guest on Dec 17, 2007 21:14:24 GMT -5
The point is that the Savior of the world was born, and it was celebrated by Shepherds, Wise Men and Angels! Another interesting "knat" is that it doesn't say "three" Wise Men. Three gifts were mentioned though. Sometimes these little discrepancies cause people to throw the "baby" out with the bath water. I do appreciate attention to detail too, guest, but let's not dismiss the real intent of our celebrating. (I don't think you were doing that) I'm sure our Father is most interested in the motivation in our hearts. Blessings, Linda Let me guess. A knat is what you call truth that you deem to be unimportant and which you use to put the other person in their place??
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