Post by nathanb on Jul 29, 2008 16:37:00 GMT -5
Re: Introducing Myself
« Reply #16 Today at 9:15 »
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1) written by a former ex-2x2 and now is an ex-2x2.
Hoping that God will open your eyes, as He has many others, first I left the work,after years in it, read carefully the scriptures, you will discover this 'ministry' is false...it took me years but Praise God my eyes my understanding, my heart was opened and I rejoice in marvellous truth, light and liberty today..
my only regret is the 60 years spent in what I truly thought was 'truth' happened because I was simply so wrapped up in a 'system' but those regrets are (should have said above 'only regret was' ) in the past, as I am so thrilled, rejoicing,
walking, living in Christ, Christ in us ,hope of glory..God's very character revealed in us and through us...working in us and through us ..
as a result of this false ministry as stated above..many have been led astray..but God is plucking us out one by one if necessary and bringing us into a living , vital relationship with Christ..Praise God, thank-you Jesus.
again in your reading, read carefully not like you'd read a novel, but carefully, thoughtfully , prior to your reading pray that
God will open the scriptures and reveal His truth to you, and He will not fail to do so.
yes and understand the context in which it is written..so important this is..use your concordance, take notes and pray and pray and pray, and He will hear and lead you to where you should be, He will move mountains to do so nothing is impossible to Him.
you see if you are/have been raised in this system, you are or have been exposed to so many distorted attempts at 'truth' or partial truths to 'twistings' and so much where the 'context' was not understood or ignored
you want an example..ok Matthew 10 where Irvine developed 'his'
'truth' around. you as 'workers' have a great responsibilty to do the right thing, first inform your people..that this is not the gospel of Christ..it was/is Irvine's gospel, God will/is taking action. I'm thankful for the internet in this area, though don't like a lot of what is said sometimes.
I knew some quite wonderful friends and workers, still know them, get yoursevles straightened out with God, get out, workers if you desire to continue, get out,get some education, get married God intended it so, have a family God intended it so, get paid, WOW! the world out there , the Christians out there would love you to have you as Pastors, teachers, missionaries or wherever you are called to serve.
I suppose many here may not be sincere nor r they seeking truth
but this applies to anyone still wrapped up in this 'system' and don't tell me you don't have serious concerns about this 'system'
Above all bring before Him a honest heart.. God bless
~~~ N9: For to all workers:
Thanks, for your concerns but after searching most of the exes websites, reading some of anti-2x2 books I see they don't know or have the truth of the whole picture.
Some of us workers, ex-workers, friends have came out of these denominational churches so we know what are out there. Thanks, but no thanks for me.
William Irivine was NOT the first person to follow Matthew 10 or the New Testament 2x2 Itinerant ministry and Church. William Irvine was 1897 years late or behind. There were hundreds, thousands of men and women had continued Jesus and apostles 2x2 Itinerant ministry for 1800 yrs before William I. was born.
I believe William Irivne had the right idea by continuing what he read in the bible and God has blessed it.
If a 2x2 Itinerant ministry was a false then Jesus, the apostles, the Vaudois, the Poor men of Lyons, Albigenses, Cathars, and many like them would have NOT continued in every generation for 1800 yrs.
Jesus own words in Matthew 16:18 Upon this rock I will build MY Church! and the gates of Hell shall NOT prevail against it..."
Matthew 24:14 Jesus said, "And this Gospel of the kingdom shall be PREACHED! in all the world for a Witness to ALL nations! and then shall the end come."
Matthew 28:16-20 Before Jesus sent the apostles/disciples on the Great Commission, "Go, ye therefore and teach ALL nations... teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you, and lo I am with you always unto the end of the world."
~~~ Just say William Irvine started this 2x2 church in 1897.... it doesn't add up according to the words and teachings of Jesus at all.
Where can we read in the scriptures Jesus and in the apostles teaching say the church which Jesus called MY CHURCH! which the hell can't NOT prevail died or disappear in the New Testament? so William Irvine should START an another New Testament church and 2x2 ministry in 1897?
Don't you think William Irvine's idea is about 1987 yrs late? What happen to millions, billions people who lived and died before he was born when his church wasn't form yet? Did all of them died and go to hell because NONE of them had heard of him.
Are you saying Jesus' TRUE Church disappeared or died out by the end of the first century? for 1800 yrs then William Irvine restarted in 1897? This thinking does NOT line up with Jesus own words or teachings.
« Reply #16 Today at 9:15 »
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1) written by a former ex-2x2 and now is an ex-2x2.
Hoping that God will open your eyes, as He has many others, first I left the work,after years in it, read carefully the scriptures, you will discover this 'ministry' is false...it took me years but Praise God my eyes my understanding, my heart was opened and I rejoice in marvellous truth, light and liberty today..
my only regret is the 60 years spent in what I truly thought was 'truth' happened because I was simply so wrapped up in a 'system' but those regrets are (should have said above 'only regret was' ) in the past, as I am so thrilled, rejoicing,
walking, living in Christ, Christ in us ,hope of glory..God's very character revealed in us and through us...working in us and through us ..
as a result of this false ministry as stated above..many have been led astray..but God is plucking us out one by one if necessary and bringing us into a living , vital relationship with Christ..Praise God, thank-you Jesus.
again in your reading, read carefully not like you'd read a novel, but carefully, thoughtfully , prior to your reading pray that
God will open the scriptures and reveal His truth to you, and He will not fail to do so.
yes and understand the context in which it is written..so important this is..use your concordance, take notes and pray and pray and pray, and He will hear and lead you to where you should be, He will move mountains to do so nothing is impossible to Him.
you see if you are/have been raised in this system, you are or have been exposed to so many distorted attempts at 'truth' or partial truths to 'twistings' and so much where the 'context' was not understood or ignored
you want an example..ok Matthew 10 where Irvine developed 'his'
'truth' around. you as 'workers' have a great responsibilty to do the right thing, first inform your people..that this is not the gospel of Christ..it was/is Irvine's gospel, God will/is taking action. I'm thankful for the internet in this area, though don't like a lot of what is said sometimes.
I knew some quite wonderful friends and workers, still know them, get yoursevles straightened out with God, get out, workers if you desire to continue, get out,get some education, get married God intended it so, have a family God intended it so, get paid, WOW! the world out there , the Christians out there would love you to have you as Pastors, teachers, missionaries or wherever you are called to serve.
I suppose many here may not be sincere nor r they seeking truth
but this applies to anyone still wrapped up in this 'system' and don't tell me you don't have serious concerns about this 'system'
Above all bring before Him a honest heart.. God bless
~~~ N9: For to all workers:
Thanks, for your concerns but after searching most of the exes websites, reading some of anti-2x2 books I see they don't know or have the truth of the whole picture.
Some of us workers, ex-workers, friends have came out of these denominational churches so we know what are out there. Thanks, but no thanks for me.
William Irivine was NOT the first person to follow Matthew 10 or the New Testament 2x2 Itinerant ministry and Church. William Irvine was 1897 years late or behind. There were hundreds, thousands of men and women had continued Jesus and apostles 2x2 Itinerant ministry for 1800 yrs before William I. was born.
I believe William Irivne had the right idea by continuing what he read in the bible and God has blessed it.
If a 2x2 Itinerant ministry was a false then Jesus, the apostles, the Vaudois, the Poor men of Lyons, Albigenses, Cathars, and many like them would have NOT continued in every generation for 1800 yrs.
Jesus own words in Matthew 16:18 Upon this rock I will build MY Church! and the gates of Hell shall NOT prevail against it..."
Matthew 24:14 Jesus said, "And this Gospel of the kingdom shall be PREACHED! in all the world for a Witness to ALL nations! and then shall the end come."
Matthew 28:16-20 Before Jesus sent the apostles/disciples on the Great Commission, "Go, ye therefore and teach ALL nations... teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you, and lo I am with you always unto the end of the world."
~~~ Just say William Irvine started this 2x2 church in 1897.... it doesn't add up according to the words and teachings of Jesus at all.
Where can we read in the scriptures Jesus and in the apostles teaching say the church which Jesus called MY CHURCH! which the hell can't NOT prevail died or disappear in the New Testament? so William Irvine should START an another New Testament church and 2x2 ministry in 1897?
Don't you think William Irvine's idea is about 1987 yrs late? What happen to millions, billions people who lived and died before he was born when his church wasn't form yet? Did all of them died and go to hell because NONE of them had heard of him.
Are you saying Jesus' TRUE Church disappeared or died out by the end of the first century? for 1800 yrs then William Irvine restarted in 1897? This thinking does NOT line up with Jesus own words or teachings.