Post by nathanb on Jun 19, 2008 17:56:13 GMT -5
1) just curious wrote: What does Babylon represents?
1) Do you mean Babylon or Mystery Babylon?
Write to me privately I'll discuss my thoughts there.
Edy
2) Anonymous wrote:
False belief??
3) Pink Guest wrote:
Anything worldly and not godly. Sins, lusts, desires in and for the world.
4) Just curious: Do you mean Mystery Babylon the Great the mother of Har lot or prost itutes in the bookf o Revelation 17?
Revelation 17:3-5 Then the angel carried me away in the Spirit into the desert. There I (John) saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast that was covered with blasphemous names and had 2 heads and 10 horns.
The Woman dressed in purple and scarlet, and was glitering with gold, precious stones, and pearls. She held a golden cup in her hand, filled with abominable things and the filth of her aduteries. This Title was written on her forehead.
Mystery Babylon the Great the Mother of pros titutes and of the abominable of the earth.
I saw that the woman was drunk with the blood of the saints, the blood of those who bored testimony of Jesus.
~~~ Who or What do you this woman is represented of?
5) Dietcoke wrote:
wow, I didn't see this thread before I replied in the "debate" thread. I think it's clear as can be that John was writing about Jerusalem in 70 AD, that is the Babylon that was destroyed, which he saw as fulfillment of the eschatological warnings about the "harlot."
All old testament references to the "harlot" refer to Israel/Judah/Jerusalem. I'm not a very good preterist, but this is the basic preterist belief, that John was writing to first-century readers about the first century.
But what does it represent? I suppose the same thing it always has: decadence, compromise, sexual promiscuity, extravagance, idol worship, blah, blah. These are the things going on in John's day that he was complaining about.
6) bert wrote:
IMO, the "harlot" of Revelations is referring to false religion in general, or the Catholic Church (scarlet, seven hills etc) in particular. We should assume that this wasn't written for just one age, as that is not what God would have intended. I referred to Catholicism because the harlot in Revelation is a city on "seven hills."
This is a direct reference to the seven hills of Rome. This means she cannot be Babylon, which has no hills. This harlot also slew the saints, and I don't know of any other Western religion which murdered like this church did.
And earthly kings "have committed fornication" with her - that's another reference to Roman Catholic power. And "idols" refers to the same church
And she is dressed "in purple and scarlet color, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication" That's the same church.... and so forth. There's tons of stuff on the internet about this topic.
7) CUL wrote:
The accumulation of evidence does tend to lend itself toward the Roman Catholic Church. Even the title of harlot compares to Old Testament Israel when she turned away toward idols. The RCC claims to be the true Church of God but yet throughout history has adopted pagan practices and idol worship. And the political power of the RCC over is another big thing.
1) Do you mean Babylon or Mystery Babylon?
Write to me privately I'll discuss my thoughts there.
Edy
2) Anonymous wrote:
False belief??
3) Pink Guest wrote:
Anything worldly and not godly. Sins, lusts, desires in and for the world.
4) Just curious: Do you mean Mystery Babylon the Great the mother of Har lot or prost itutes in the bookf o Revelation 17?
Revelation 17:3-5 Then the angel carried me away in the Spirit into the desert. There I (John) saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast that was covered with blasphemous names and had 2 heads and 10 horns.
The Woman dressed in purple and scarlet, and was glitering with gold, precious stones, and pearls. She held a golden cup in her hand, filled with abominable things and the filth of her aduteries. This Title was written on her forehead.
Mystery Babylon the Great the Mother of pros titutes and of the abominable of the earth.
I saw that the woman was drunk with the blood of the saints, the blood of those who bored testimony of Jesus.
~~~ Who or What do you this woman is represented of?
5) Dietcoke wrote:
wow, I didn't see this thread before I replied in the "debate" thread. I think it's clear as can be that John was writing about Jerusalem in 70 AD, that is the Babylon that was destroyed, which he saw as fulfillment of the eschatological warnings about the "harlot."
All old testament references to the "harlot" refer to Israel/Judah/Jerusalem. I'm not a very good preterist, but this is the basic preterist belief, that John was writing to first-century readers about the first century.
But what does it represent? I suppose the same thing it always has: decadence, compromise, sexual promiscuity, extravagance, idol worship, blah, blah. These are the things going on in John's day that he was complaining about.
6) bert wrote:
IMO, the "harlot" of Revelations is referring to false religion in general, or the Catholic Church (scarlet, seven hills etc) in particular. We should assume that this wasn't written for just one age, as that is not what God would have intended. I referred to Catholicism because the harlot in Revelation is a city on "seven hills."
This is a direct reference to the seven hills of Rome. This means she cannot be Babylon, which has no hills. This harlot also slew the saints, and I don't know of any other Western religion which murdered like this church did.
And earthly kings "have committed fornication" with her - that's another reference to Roman Catholic power. And "idols" refers to the same church
And she is dressed "in purple and scarlet color, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication" That's the same church.... and so forth. There's tons of stuff on the internet about this topic.
7) CUL wrote:
The accumulation of evidence does tend to lend itself toward the Roman Catholic Church. Even the title of harlot compares to Old Testament Israel when she turned away toward idols. The RCC claims to be the true Church of God but yet throughout history has adopted pagan practices and idol worship. And the political power of the RCC over is another big thing.