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Post by wondering on Mar 13, 2009 17:24:50 GMT -5
It seems that the Catholics and Jews are trying to 'shore up' some of the mis understandings concerning their differing doctrines ? Reading in a recent article about the reversal of an 'excommunication' of a 'Catholic bishop' that stirred about the holocast being overestimated about the pogom deaths? I wonder if they can resolve that they are worshipping the same God?? The Jewish/Hebrew believe that their God wrote the ten commandments! and the Catholics believe the ten commandments were written by a Triune God?? Is this confusing to the Jews? Should they discusss rewriting the ten commandments ?? Sucha thought occured that they could 'compromise the understatements so everyone could agree>? Hmmm: lets see, say : I, the Lord am One,( or Triune ) depending how you wish to interpret 'triune' ?? well, maybe that would be a start in accepting the God of the Jews into the Catholic doctrine, eh?  |
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Post by nathanb on Mar 18, 2009 0:15:20 GMT -5
The Catholic Church in Rome tried mixed some of the Old Testament (the Temple/church building, rituals, ceremony, priesthood, traditions of men, etc..) teachings and Jesus New testament teachings together. They tried to put a new wine into old wineskin... it doesn't work because eventually it will burst.
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Post by perhaps on Mar 21, 2009 16:21:09 GMT -5
The Catholic Church in Rome tried mixed some of the Old Testament (the Temple/church building, rituals, ceremony, priesthood, traditions of men, etc..) teachings and Jesus New testament teachings together. They tried to put a new wine into old wineskin... it doesn't work because eventually it will burst. Nate, Have you wondered what the 'gospel message' (good news) was that Jesus and the disciples were sent to preach, before Jesus actually died on the cross? His disciples seeming did not have a clear understanding of his death, yet they must have preached good news of the kingdom of heaven, that wells up in our heart when we accept the teachings and example of Jesus and the parables he taught ?! |
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Post by nathanb on Mar 23, 2009 14:30:17 GMT -5
The Catholic Church in Rome tried mixed some of the Old Testament (the Temple/church building, rituals, ceremony, priesthood, traditions of men, etc..) teachings and Jesus New testament teachings together. They tried to put a new wine into old wineskin... it doesn't work because eventually it will burst. 1) Nate, Have you wondered what the 'gospel message' (good news) was that Jesus and the disciples were sent to preach, before Jesus actually died on the cross? ~~ The gospel message to the Jews, children of Israel, Samaritans, and non-Jews was the Messiah has come! enter ye in the kingdom of God. (John 4) God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship Him in spirit and in truth. The Samaritan woman at the well said unto him, "I know that Messiah cometh, who is called Christ; when he is come, he will tell us all things."2) His disciples seeming did not have a clear understanding of his death, yet they must have preached good news of the kingdom of heaven, that wells up in our heart when we accept the teachings and example of Jesus and the parables he taught ?! ~~~ Yes, many of the apostles and disciples of Jesus did not have a clear understanding of his death and resurrection. They must have preached the Messiah has arrived and eventually the Holy Spirit revealed the rest of God's plan to them.The woman who broke alabaster oilment box and anointed for Jesus burial so some of them knew Jesus had to die for the sins of humanity. |
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Post by Perhaps on Mar 24, 2009 17:59:54 GMT -5
Yes, many of the apostles and disciples of Jesus did not have a clear understanding of his death and resurrection. They must have preached the Messiah has arrived and eventually the Holy Spirit revealed the rest of God's plan to them.] I think it is true even today, we can hardly comprehend what it all means. I submit that as soon as I realize that understand a certain teaching, that there is more to it that I hadn't realized as yet. I use to believe that God was wise, which is somewhat easy to understand, yet, someone has mentioned that God is MORE than wise, and even though I cannot understand that, I can accept it as above our human wisdom, he is MORE than wise. He see just a portion of his wisdom at a time, even though we think we understand it, yet it is impossible to take it in, as it is infinite to comprehend God. eh? (and to me that s the good news, because we are always learning and learning) |
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Post by nathanb on Mar 28, 2009 22:36:36 GMT -5
1) Perhaps wrote:
I think it is true even today, we can hardly comprehend what it all means. I submit that as soon as I realize that understand a certain teaching, that there is more to it that I hadn't realized as yet.
~~ I'd love to read your finding on this certain teaching which you have.
2) I use to believe that God was wise, which is somewhat easy to understand, yet, someone has mentioned that God is MORE than wise, and even though I cannot understand that, I can accept it as above our human wisdom, he is MORE than wise. He see just a portion of his wisdom at a time, even though we think we understand it, yet it is impossible to take it in, as it is infinite to comprehend God. eh? (and to me that s the good news, because we are always learning and learning)
~~~ I agree. It says Christ is the power of God, and the wisdom of God. Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men. Human kingom is two kingdoms below God's kingdom therefore He is MUCH wiser than men for sure. Men can't out think, or out smart God.
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Post by Perhaps on Mar 29, 2009 21:39:07 GMT -5
1) Perhaps wrote: understand a certain teaching, that there is more to it that I hadn't realized as yet. ~~ I'd love to read your finding on this certain teaching which you have.Thanks for responding , I think this is a very good understanding, when we realize that the depth of truth of Gods way are unsearchable! Yet we can understand that in many ways! For example: the bible teaches us many things, and we come to believe it as we come to understand it, right? Predestination is one of the teachings that we can understand to mean different things, and esentially they can all be correct teachings, as long as the spirit of God can be revealed in the teaching, {I do believe in predestination, yet, if this is 'taught' outside the spirit of God, then it becomes a human doctrine of man} 2) same as POTS, or OSAS. these doctrines (which have a spiritual truth of support, yet , we also can learn more, and find that we can 'lose out' if we are not earnestly diligent in our service) The doctrines that we see in the bible, are true, and yet can be understood only if we have the spirit , and the spirit will lead us into how to discern the truth, (meaning that words are not enough sometimes, because there are no words to describe the spirit of God, that is why it is an influence that guides us to do right, even when we do not know in human words, but we know the spirit) As the bible says: "Try the spirits, and see if they be of God!" The words we read can edify and teach us , but the spirit will lead us in all things!, right? |
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Post by nathanb on Mar 30, 2009 9:43:06 GMT -5
1) Perhaps wrote: understand a certain teaching, that there is more to it that I hadn't realized as yet. ~~ I'd love to read your finding on this certain teaching which you have.1) Thanks for responding , I think this is a very good understanding, when we realize that the depth of truth of Gods way are unsearchable! Yet we can understand that in many ways! For example: the bible teaches us many things, and we come to believe it as we come to understand it, right? Predestination is one of the teachings that we can understand to mean different things, and esentially they can all be correct teachings, as long as the spirit of God can be revealed in the teaching, {I do believe in predestination, yet, if this is 'taught' outside the spirit of God, then it becomes a human doctrine of man} ~~~ Yes, there are different ways of interpretation on predestination, OSAS, and POTS.
I believe God has predestined before the foundation of the world that Christ is the way, the truth, and life no man comes unto God the Father but through Him.
Once saved is always saved as long and Preserverance of the saints we confessed and repented when sins. 2) same as POTS, or OSAS. these doctrines (which have a spiritual truth of support, yet , we also can learn more, and find that we can 'lose out' if we are not earnestly diligent in our service) ~~~ Amen! We read in the gospels and New Testament epistles that some put away! concerning the faith made shipwreck. Turn from the truth to fables, some have forshaken the right way, some depart from the living God, fallen away, wandered, etc.3) The doctrines that we see in the bible, are true, and yet can be understood only if we have the spirit , and the spirit will lead us into how to discern the truth, (meaning that words are not enough sometimes, because there are no words to describe the spirit of God, that is why it is an influence that guides us to do right, even when we do not know in human words, but we know the spirit) As the bible says: "Try the spirits, and see if they be of God!" The words we read can edify and teach us , but the spirit will lead us in all things!, right? ~~~ Yes, I agree the Spirit of truth will lead us to the all truth in Jesus. The Spirit does not lead us into amazed or away from Jesus' truth, and teachings. |
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Post by hmmm on Apr 7, 2009 11:19:09 GMT -5
It seems that the Catholics and Jews are trying to 'shore up' some of the mis understandings concerning their differing doctrines ? I wonder if they can resolve that they are worshipping the same God?? The Jewish/Hebrew believe that their God wrote the ten commandments! and the Catholics believe the ten commandments were written by a Triune God?? Is this confusing to the Jews? Is God the father and Jesus the same 'person' or are they different beings? |
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Post by nathanb on Apr 7, 2009 22:22:10 GMT -5
It seems that the Catholics and Jews are trying to 'shore up' some of the mis understandings concerning their differing doctrines ? I wonder if they can resolve that they are worshipping the same God?? The Jewish/Hebrew believe that their God wrote the ten commandments! and the Catholics believe the ten commandments were written by a Triune God?? Is this confusing to the Jews? Is God the father and Jesus the same 'person' or are they different beings?
Matthew 3:16,17 And when 1)Jesus was baptized went up straightway out of the water: and lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the 2) Spirit of God descending like a dove and resting upon him.
and lo, a 3) voice (God the Father) from heaven, saying, "This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well-pleased."
I John 5:7,8 For there are Three that bear record in heaven, the Father, The Word (Christ) and the Holy Spirit: and these three are one in agreement.
On Calvary's Cross Jesus cried out to His heavenly Father, "My God, My God why has thou forshaken me?" |
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Post by perhaps on Apr 17, 2009 14:59:46 GMT -5
I wonder if they can resolve Is this confusing to the Jews? [/qte] Is God the father and Jesus the same 'person' or are they different beings? Perhaps it is confusing to the observer, but most Catholics believe that trinity proves that God died on the cross, but the real believers know that it was God's son, Jesus who God sent as the Messiah of all of mankind. The Jews do not agree that their God died , as He is a spiritual being, that has an eternal being existance, just as God wants all to become. |
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Post by nathanb on Apr 27, 2009 10:30:53 GMT -5
I wonder if they can resolve Is this confusing to the Jews? [/qte] Is God the father and Jesus the same 'person' or are they different beings? 1) Perhaps it is confusing to the observer, but most Catholics believe that trinity proves that God died on the cross, but the real believers know that it was God's son, Jesus who God sent as the Messiah of all of mankind. ~~ Yes, there are many misconception, belief, and interpretation on the Trinity in the world. Yes, it was God the Son Jesus who died on the Cross NOT God the Father. It was God the Son that cried out to God the Father, "My God, My God why has thou forshaken me?" on Calvary's Cross.2) The Jews do not agree that their God died , as He is a spiritual being, that has an eternal being existance, just as God wants all to become. ~~~ The Jews have to be born again to understand Jesus is the Messiah, the Yahweh almighty God the Son (Christ) who existed before the creation of the world, and in the Old Testament that made promised to Adam and Eve, Noah, Abraham, Jacob, Moses, king David, etc.. He himself would be their Redeemer/Savior in the Old Testament, New Testament, and through out the ages to come |
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Post by two huh on Aug 24, 2009 1:32:49 GMT -5
Hmm, the Jews accept that God is their God, yet is God made up of more than one person? that didn't make any sense to say there is only one God , but he has two or three beings, unless one being can be considered as three beings??  wow, the Jews sure were smarter than those Romans , eh?  |
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