ram
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Post by ram on Nov 27, 2007 4:59:47 GMT -5
Thanks for those references Joe and to all for the interesting comments. When I read Paul's message on the Lord's Supper in 1 Corinthians 11, I don't see that he's speaking about the worthiness of the individual, but rather about participating with an intentional focus on the Lord's body and blood...partaking in a worthy manner. Apparently some folks were just satisfying their gluttonous appetites and indulging themselves in too much wine, instead of honoring Jesus, the whole reason for the emblems. None of us are worthy of the gift that was given us in the blood and body of the Lamb, but I don't think this passage is referencing individual worthiness, anyway. Blessings, Linda Hi Linda, Thanks for bringing that up. I've had another read of 1 Co. 11 and I must admit I am inclined to agree with you. Someone on another board said that "Thanksgiving Day" was just an excuse for gluttony and getting drunk and I think it is clear that this remembrance ceremony of the emblems was becoming just like that with the Corinthians. It was becoming a serious issue where the real focus of the ceremony was being lost, which Paul felt he had to address. Yes I see now, the focus must be on Jesus and remembering what he has done for us, NOT what we haven't done for him (our own condition). As we sincerely consider his worthiness and supreme sacrifice, which is the purpose of it all, it will undoubtedly produce our own personal convictions. I agree it is not about our worthiness as we participate, but rather focussing on his "worthiness." In this there is great hope and an invitation for all. I'm seeing the emblems in greater freedom and light as a result of this dialogue. Your understanding of the these passages does not put Paul at variance with Jesus example of the emblems, rather he is advancing it.
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Post by Chris on Dec 19, 2007 14:02:34 GMT -5
I could accept If the traitor repented and had a 100% changed of heart I could see the possiblity of him/her getting the job. I don't believe Judas ever repented for his sin in betraying against Jesus. Here is some scripture that you might consider: Matt 27:3-5 When Judas, who had betrayed him, saw that Jesus was condemned, he was seized with remorse and returned the thirty silver coins to the chief priests and the elders. "I have sinned," he said, "for I have betrayed innocent blood." "What is that to us?" they replied. "That's your responsibility." So Judas threw the money into the temple and left. Then he went away and hanged himself.
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selah
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Post by selah on Dec 19, 2007 18:27:19 GMT -5
When I was in Israel, I saw the "Field of Blood," and even today it is a desolate place surrounded by activity, yet it lays open and bare. There is a Nunnery or Convent near it.
Blessings, Linda
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Post by Joe on Dec 20, 2007 10:51:00 GMT -5
Here is some scripture that you might consider: Matt 27:3-5 When Judas, who had betrayed him, saw that Jesus was condemned, he was seized with remorse and returned the thirty silver coins to the chief priests and the elders. "I have sinned," he said, "for I have betrayed innocent blood." "What is that to us?" they replied. "That's your responsibility." So Judas threw the money into the temple and left. Then he went away and hanged himself. I think Judas hung himself because he could not face Jesus. Was Jesus crucified yet? It doesn't seem so. Who was wronged here? How would returning the money help one become right in this situation. The wrong was the kiss in the garden. Isn't it Jesus he should have been going to for forgiveness? The priests response to his statement, (not a plea for mercy), is very telling, "What is that to us?" they replied. "That's your responsibility." He was going to the wrong place for forgiveness.
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